My name is Fred and I am a gay conservative living in Ottawa. This blog supports limited government, the right of the State of Israel to live in peace and security, and tries to expose the threat to us all from cultural relativism, post-modernism, and radical Islam. I am also the founder of the Free Thinking Film Society in Ottawa (

Monday, March 12, 2007

He's entitled to his opinion, but...

They should have no relevance on public this man capable of really leading the military?
The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Monday he considers homosexuality to be immoral and the military should not condone it by allowing gay personnel to serve openly, the Chicago Tribune reported.

Marine Gen. Peter Pace likened homosexuality to adultery, which he said was also immoral, the newspaper reported on its Web site.

"I do not believe the United States is well served by a policy that says it is OK to be immoral in any way," Pace told the newspaper in a wide-ranging interview.

Pace, a native of Brooklyn, N.Y., and a 1967 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, said he based his views on his upbringing.

He said he supports the Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell policy" in which gay men and women are allowed in the military as long as they keep their sexual orientation private. The policy, signed into law by President Clinton in 1994, prohibits commanders from asking about a person's sexual orientation.

"I believe homosexual acts between two individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts," Pace said.
The Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy has been a disaster. Thousands of gay soldiers have been drummed out of the military for nothing - including more than 50 specialists in Arabic who are sorely needed. Everybody should have the opportunity to serve their country - and I should say that gay people have always served and served well.

I also believe in the separation of church and state. The issue of whether gays should be allowed to serve their country has never been couched in morality. It looks like Pace is using his religious beliefs to continue a bad public policy - instead of addressing the real issues of whether gays can effectively serve.

Of course, the military has never made a really strong argument on why gays should be excluded - afterall the Israelies allow gays to openly serve and it hasn't hurt their military.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not allowing gays in the military creates a security issue whereby they could be blackmailed, it's a stupid policy.

2:09 AM  
Blogger Jesse said...

You left-winger you. ;)

3:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a role model this freak is. Mr. Pace is in the business of killing people for the sake of "our country" and yet has the nerve to call a sexual act between consenting adults "immoral". I'm sure his god would proud.

7:32 AM  
Blogger USMale said...

I am a gay man who regularly and happily engages in the aforementioned immoral acts. And I do not agree with Gen. Pace, who nevertheless represents the thinking of a long and large tradition...but anonymous leaves me shaking my head. The language gives it all away: Mr. Pace. "our country" and god. As a counter argument, it has all the force of a bumper sticker.

10:50 AM  
Blogger Charlie said...

I applaud General Peter Pace for taking the correct stand on this matter. His comments are right on target. There is NO REASON for him to apologize to anyone. His personal beliefs are his own and NO ONE need apologize for their personal beliefs. While I agree that he should be loving and respectful in his statements and (more importantly) actions, being forced to accept and celebrate the choice of homosexual behavior is NOT something anyone should be confronted with -- military or civilian.
These gay advocacy groups need to sit down and shut up! There is NOTHING "outrageous" or "insensitive" in what General Pace said in the interview. I listened to part of his comments. He was soft-spoken and respectful, but also firm in his resolve. Pace answered one question with a very straightforward and truthful answer, "The US Military’s mission fundamentally rests on the trust, confidence, cooperation amongst its members, and the homosexual lifestyle does not comport with that kind of trust and confidence and therefore is not supported within the US military. I’ll leave it at that."
Homosexuality *is* an immoral act. It is NOT natural, normal or moral. The lifestyle choice is rife with promiscuity, predatorship and infidelity -- all matters that point to trust, confidence and cooperation. General Pace should be applauded for standing his ground and speaking the truth.
I, personally, plan to be active in the fight against these homosexual advocacy groups as they seek to villainize General Pace. Here's hoping you will join the fight as well. It's high time conservatives (especially Christians) stand up for our beliefs and convictions.

12:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's people like General Pace that are making this country go backwards. Wake up General, it's the 21st centary, people can do as they please in the bedroom. Are you a closet case, I find those who protest the most are the ones who are doing it behind closed doors or melesting small chiidern.

What's in your closet???

1:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe that a bonehead like Pace can get the top job. Just think how stupid the guys below him must be! Score one for the bad guys...the Taliban may be SOB's, but they'smart. The rat race may be over soon because the rats are clearly in the lead. I just feel sorry for the poor guys who will get shot up while Bonehead gets more medals.

4:10 PM  
Blogger Suricou Raven said...

The FRC blog* has used some much better arguments. Still not *good* arguments, but at least they had the decency to attempt to veil their religious motivation in a legitimate excuse.

The main excuse has been 'This will demoralise the troops!' Their second excuse is 'But this will worsen the recruitment problem, because tens of thousands of people will refuse to serve in an army with gays in.' Bad as they are, they are an attempt at justification. Both are, of course, wraped up in the patriotic cover: 'Anyone who objects to the DADT policy is sacrificing the security of our nation for politics!'

The appropriate response is 'Get me some numbers!' While those opposing the policy can point to a 2005 audit* that showed the military is down by approximatly 10,000 troops who were kicked out explicitly because they were homosexual, those who support it can only throw around their 'tens of thousands wouldn't join' claim without anything but speculation to back it up.

There is also an estimate of 40,000 homosexuals who would join if the policy were removed, but I dont know how this figure was arrived at.

Charlie: Your post is too long for me to reply to every point in detail right now. But I will suggest you stop relying on the steriotype of the promiscuous party-animal as your basis for judging all homosexuals.



5:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I agree with you 100%.

8:21 PM  
Blogger ted5403 said...

When are we as a group going to stand up and march for our right. We can march as one, until we do, they will get away with things like this. We must stand up for ourselves. If we don't no one will.

11:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love how, since being gay has become pc, everyone starts their post "as a gay man..." or "i am some kind of good and/or special person who happens to be homosexual..." Why must this be the defining characteristic? What you do in your bedroom should be the last thing you disclose to people. Especially if they haven't even asked. I mean, I've never heard anyone say "I'm heterosexual, deal with it!".
Please don't get me wrong. If two consenting adults are attracted to each other, by all means, have at it! I have been ridiculed from my friends and family my whole life for my choices of romantic partners, but I'm not defined by this. I don't need a "straight pride" parade to show the world what I am. You are already in this life, you don't have to fight for your place. As for the general, do you have ANY idea what it takes to get to that position? Believe me when I tell you, he's earned the right to his opinion. Moreso than me, anyway. And I don't see him in a straight rights activist group starting a witchhunt everytime someone is called a 'breeder'. Gay people have to accept the fact that they suck just as much as straight people. I am an agnostic straight with it.

12:29 AM  

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