More on the deniers....
Tons of press reports about the 400 scientists and others who dispute some or all of the global warming dogma....here's an excerpt from one report...
Among the IPCC's warming "deniers" is atmospheric scientist Hendrik Tennekes, former research director at the Netherlands' Royal National Meteorological Institute.
"I find the Doomsday picture Al Gore is painting -- a six-meter sea level rise, 15 times the IPCC number -- entirely without merit," he said. "I protest vigorously the idea that the climate reacts like a home heating system to a changed setting of the thermostat: Just turn the dial, and the desired temperature will soon be reached."
Physicist John W. Brosnahan, who develops remote-sensing tools for clients like the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, says: "Of course I believe in global warming, and in global cooling -- all part of the natural climate changes that the Earth has experienced for billions of years, caused primarily by cyclical variations in solar output."
Brosnahan says he has "not seen any sort of definitive, scientific link to man-made carbon dioxide as the root cause of global warming, only incomplete computer models that suggest that this might be the case." Those models, he says, leave out too many variables.
Indeed, a study in the Royal Meteorological Society's International Journal of Climatology looked at 22 computer models used by the IPCC. Most of the models couldn't even predict the past.
Predictably, after a quick review of the report, Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider said 25 to 30 of the scientists may have received funding from Exxon Mobil (NYSE:XOM) , though she didn't name which scientists she thinks were bribed to distort the truth. Wise move.
This is not like Al Gore getting 75 hours of free airtime on NBC, a unit of General Electric (NYSE:GE) , which stands to make wads of cash on things like solar panels and wind turbines. Or Gore being involved with a company that sells carbon offsets.
posted by GayandRight @ 1:13 PM
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I watched a video on You-tube about a news clip that showed boxes in a room that had about 19'000 protest letters from Scientists and expert that denounced the original stages of the Global Warming big lie.
According to John Moore on CFRB , all of these 19'000 people are deniers and idiots that don't deserve any air-time on his Radio show because they are a fringe group .
I am always amazed at how fast the people in the Art's business will embrace any opinion from a Liberal as a proven fact , and while John Moore mocks people who use the Internet to get Facts to counter his Al Gore theories that he support, Moore then uses that exact Internet to find articles that support his views and then tells his listeners the debate is over.
Moore even mocked Tim Ball who was once used by the Liberals for a Credibility angle prior to Kyoto , but when Proffesor Ball saw the stack of LIES by the U.N. and refused to endorse the GHG Theory for the world coming to an end , that's when the Liberals dumped him and went on a smear campaign to link Prof.Ball to the big Oil companies .
Somehow Canadians have embraced a Fly-Expert as the guru for Global warming while the actual Climatologists in Canada are now painted as Deniers or a Fringe group.
The real Fringe groups are the Artsy-Fartsy yahoos that demand more Money from the Taxpayers as if the world will end once the anti-Religion writers die off or stop getting a welfare check to create crap that most people neither read or view , these gringe groups should wake-up to the fact that it is the hard worker citizens that build a Nation so THEY can live off hand-out to produce the Art .
All these years the Artists have believed that they created Art which then built the great nations from their insight and wisdom , so once again we see how their delusions of Godhood help to enshrine an arrogance similiar to John Moore's aura where he hears a snippet of tripe from Gore or David Suzuki and then hijacks it as if it was his own thought to use for mocking callers that just might be a slight more Intelligent then him.
The more I learn ,the more I realize how little I knew , and how much more there is to know .
The artists tend to learn one thing and then try to be the best at it , then the next step is to profess to be the keeper of all wisdom and any challenge to their perception of reality is countered by attcking the person as an Idiot or Denier.
John Moore is a dyed-in-the-wool Liberal bigot and genuine idiot who thinks he is a genius.
My wife listens to him ... I cannot stand to listen , because the days are few and far between when he does not start on a rant about Harper or conservatives.
I give him another 6-8 months on CFRB before he gets canned.
I agree: John Moore is a first class twit.
But that bit in the fifth paragraph is telling: Most of the models couldn't even predict the past. As the "scientific" component of then AGW hypothesis recedes further and further into the background, the foreground is being claimed by ideologues who have nothing to offer but a defensive and credulous faith in dogma and the political agenda that flows from it. The history of Marxism is the same.
Re: John Moore
I sent him a internet link to a factual NASA website with Charts that proves the Sun affects our weather because the Solar activity was increasing in strength while flaring up more often , the Charts match exactly the Earth patterns for the predicted "Ice age" and now Global Warming except the Chart peaked in 1999 which Dr. T Ball points out for the evidence of a actual cooling since 1999.
I guess a few other Listeners emailed him because during one of the Shows he refered to the claim of the Sun affecting the Earth , but he argued that his source- which was a Link to a website that matched his views- was a Plank's Institute page that insisted the Sun was proven to have no influence on Weather patterns.
So everyone please bow down to the new genius that believes the 23.5 degree tilt off-axis for the Earth has no influence on weather to create the 4-Seasons as we obit around the sun.
It just junk Science that we have a summer when the sun sets later and the winter has a lower Arc of the Sun to set at about 4:30pm ranther than the summer 9:30 pm .
* I agree Moore's days are numbered , he insults callers retroactively when they are not there to defend themselves , he goes on rants and tirades about Bush, Harper, Islamophobia, Homophobia, Priests , and worse of all is his hissy-fits where he sounds like Svend Robinson yapping on about non-issues that may have offended him and he wants to re-fight the debate over and over .
He was at one time pretty good , but he's now a bitter angry hypersensitive malcontent just like some of the callers he has disdain for merely because he doesn't want to hear any view that challenges his version of reality .
He is a bit of a hypocrit because while mocked callers for not taking Global warming seriously he just recently admitted to driving a $40'000+ cars because "That's the way I am" .
Right John , and the rest of us must take the TTC and pay a Carbon Tax while you and your Hollywood buddies are so special that owning 4 cars and 3 mansions in California is off-set by the Global jet-setting to preach about saving the Planet .
Kinda like the Toronto Council that gets TTC passes but still drive because "We have important meetings to get to and can't simply rely on Public transit" , right... and the rest of us are useless schleps that can show up late to work and not fear being fired because even the Mexicans wouldn't want the job.
As long as cars are a legal product and I pay my expected taxes for what I earn from hard work , Al gore and John Moore can drop dead if they even think about denying me the Right to one day own a nice car or new Home that I worked for.
10'000 people flew by Jets to meet in Bali to tak about combating Global warming , they agreed to another meeting about GHG's and then jumped back on those soot-spewing Jets while actually believing they are helping me to save the Planet.
I'm guessing none of you stay up until 3am to watch "Guy Stuff with John Moore" on Global ;-)
I used to listen to CFRB all day long as I worked away in my little home office. Finally quit the habit as a direct result of John Moore.
He is an obnoxious, arrogant know-it-all who "matter of facts" his way through his entire program. Sometimes, his "matter of facts" are just plain wrong but Lord help the person that tries to correct him, as John Moore won't permit it. He has his finger on the trigger, cuts the speaker off and then launches into a 15 minute diatribe about why the last caller was out to lunch.
I hope you are right that he only has another 6 - 8 months at the station I can't find a thing to listen to as I drive my kids around after school.
There. I feel better.
Wow. An anti John Moore comment opportunity.
To listen to John Moore one would think he is God's gift to humanity. Some would think that he would have learned humility at Concordia. It just shows to go ya that the Jesuits cannot teach everyone, or perhaps some people never learn. But remember that is the college that forebade Israeli Netenyahu a forum. Imagine a University doing that. Only in Montreal you say!
This man is an unctuous pedantic at best. His negativity is grating especially at the end of the day on my drive home. He is particularly disparaging of those who "deny" global warming. He has no appreciation of the nuances of the range of scientific opinion on this subject. I get apoplectic when he dismisses contrary opinion with stark, very, very, dogmatic obfuscations. He backs up these these utterances by saying that nobody has studied this as much as he has. Well La De Da!
At 4 pm I have found some very nice music stations in Toronto. I get the impression that I am in the minority since CFRB has increased it's ratings.
My personal feeling is that the station has dumbed down their Talk Hosts over the years to appeal to stay at home Moms and to Toronto Star readers. Even their leading light, Bill Carroll, is becoming less controversial. Even he focuses on mom and pop stuff lately. If they have reigned in Bill Carroll then why have they given Monsieur Moore free reign.
"He is an obnoxious, arrogant know-it-all who "matter of facts" his way through his entire program."
Interestingly, that is how I find many liberals - they truly do believe that theirs is the only way and if you disagree - you are an idiot.
What ever happened to debate in this world. To listening to each other and debating the issues - now it is namecalling and laughing at those who do not agree with you.
It is no wonder that we have become so polarized politically.
John Moore is a typical liberal. Liberals are always striving for "diversity," except when it comes to divesity of thoughts. Then there is no arguing, as they are always in the right. He poorly attempts to defend his feeble points by going to the usual left wing accusations like racism, intollerance, xenophobia, ect.. But my favorite John Moorism is when he disconnects the callers when he's losing a debate, which is almost every other call. He's as entertaining as being stuck in a traffic jam.
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