I wish this was done in Canada...
Battered men have no place to go in Canada...
Supporters of a women's refuge were 'shocked and stunned' to be told it is being closed - because it does not cater for men.
The emergency shelter was set up 13 years ago for women and children and adult males are not allowed to stay.
But council officials have now ruled that, because it does not serve both sexes equally, the money used to run the home would be better spent on an 'outreach service' to help battered husbands as well as wives in their own homes.
posted by GayandRight @ 2:54 AM
13 Comments:
You are a conservative - do you want Canadian shelters for abused men funded by the government?
I'm a Conservative, and I know that women need shelters. I also know that there are "battered men" who need shelters. Our present laws are extremely lopsided with respect to spousal abuse and need to be changed to give more support for males.
You're both wrong.
The answer is to enforce the Laws of Canada for assaults and violence,not to keep the current system where Females are treated as Second-class citizens needing Special-Laws as a Pathetic minority group with lower standards for obeying the law.
Just take a look at the number of female pedophiles within the Educational system that often get caught and still keep their job,but when male pedophiles go after boys witin the Church system it becomes a scandal.
NO PEOPLE.....lets get tough on the violent Girls in schools who later become the abusers since nobody stood-up to them during the early signs of anger issues being acted out with violence.
I think my point was that battered men need help...and they aren't getting it...
fred
I'll go with Anon at 12:19 on this one. Battered men and women need to file a criminal complaint and then just leave the relationship, get an apartment and move on. Simple as that. Yes, simple as that. We don't need more sociologists and counsellors to maintain and reinforce the battered person's victim status.
Yes battered men need help but that doesn't mean that you close down women's shelters and brand them sexist.
I was the victim of a sexual assault and I would have rejected out of hand any conselling from a male. I think the same can apply to women's shelters - you don't help a fragile victim by forcing her to live with a symbol of her terror.
Let women have their own shelters and if it means that much to you gentlemen how about starting a shelter yourselves. Post notices to start a non profit and start the fundraising - otherwise quit picking on women who have been picked on quite enough. Remember almost all these shelters were started by women fundraising, creating nonprofit orgs and then applying for funding
And these "fragile victims" can't see the difference between the a**hole who slapped them around and "a symbol of her terror". It might be just me, I may be way too cartesian about this, but that sounds a little too melodramatic. These "fragile victims" need to call the cops, pack their bags and go at the first slap. I repeat, YES, it is that simple.
To just being honest - you aren't making any sense. The women is shelters just did something - they left a violent home and sought refuge in a shelter. What's wrong with that? Your statement contradicts this simple logic - but perhaps logic does not motivate your comments.
Providing shelter to victims of violence is not as simplistic as you think - makes one wonder what motivates you to such simple rhetoric - sounds like the irrational emotional thinking of a socialist.
Non profit organizations were created to help battered women. Now men need to step up and face the fact that men are battered and need help too. It just takes good men to step up and help - are you man enough Mr. Just Being Honest.
ME:
You still don't get it.
For every abusive spouse there was a partner that made a free-will choice to accept them into their lives , or be really stupid and marry the loser.
I never needed a "Shelter" run by the Career Charity-Worker that took a course at Ryerson for the Non-Profit Industry employment where they teach people to pick a Social issue they'll never have to
solve .
I built my own "Self-preservation" Shelter around me based on Self-respect and dignity to empower me to know that I have value and not get trapped into the Leftists Victimhood mind set where all bad things are External Forces.
I watched my sister be squashed into the ground by our verbally abusive Mother that drove my non-Violent Dad to leave rather than wait until he was pushed to act out with violence, in fact....prior to him leaving she threw a plastic Milk ewer at him and missed but it left a mark on the Kitchen wall as a reminder over the next few days.
Her abuse didin't end with the Divorce,she was so depressing to be with that she drove us kids away and even during visits it only took about 1 hour for her to switch to the gossip mode to bad mouth people or Campare us kids to the successful kids the neighbours have.
BTW
Read the Stats for Child murders, the majority are done by females or the related female like the Mother or Aunt believing that they are protecting the child from Future harm (kinda like a Retro-active abortion).
My Dad was a good man that Edmund Burke would be proud of, and he taught me how to fish and that your "Catch" depend on your
"Bait".....so if you keep meeting the verbally abusive male losers that formed your perception for ALL males, try looking in the mirror to see what BAIT is on your Hook because you keep catching the same losers attracked to you.
Do what I did , ask yourself what it is about you that makes you feel that you DON'T derserve a nice person in your life.
Some people aren't happy unless they are miserable , or they don't want to date NICE-People because they're harder to dump when they are done with them.
Please don't try to excuse-away my Mother's abusiveness by claiming she had a violent father,because I could easily say that he had a abusive Mother .
To Just Being Honest- Wow, I am sorry for the misery of your family life. Good for you that you are not in an abusive relationship right now.
The issue that Fred posted wasn't about what makes people stay in relationships that are bad - it's how to manage the resources that help people leave violent relationships.
What do you lose by allowing people to get the help they need? How are you harmed or impacted?
You clearly have no desire to help ease the problem for battered women or men but your continued vitiolic rhetoric speaks more about your issues rather than the issue at hand.
I am proud of my conservative politics and my complete right wing leanings (Fred knows me, so he can vouch for my bona fides) but with that being said, I still have enough heart to want to help out the charities of my choice and why you mock those who would as well is simply illogical to conservative philosophy. Would you have the government take over and gain yet even more control or would will you not support (financially or morally) the individuals and/or organizations that have traditionally carried out social work over the years?
Just remember that with that finger you are pointing at me you've got 3 more pointing back at you!
Me: said...
To Just Being Honest- Wow, I am sorry for the misery of your family life. Good for you that you are not in an abusive relationship right now.
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Double WOW !!!!!
I don't even know where to begin with your Recreational Grieving for people you have NO ties to.
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You clearly have no desire to help ease the problem for battered women or men but your continued vitiolic rhetoric speaks more about your issues rather than the issue at hand.
Again double WOW!!
You don't agree with me so YOU become Verbally abusive to try and knock me down juts like Abusers do to gain power over people and shut down any debate or retorts.
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To solve a problem you must first pinpoint the actual problem and not the results of the problem.
Example:
A creek runs through your farmland , slowly it become dark and polluted which gives you 2 choices for the issue...
1. Demand the Government build a massive filtration plant to hire hundreds of High-Paying Union workers and give Grants to non-Profits groups to protest for even more Money to build more Plants.
2. Go upstream until you see where the Pollution is being poured into the creek to CAUSE the problem....then tell the people to STOP IT.
Which one will you pick?
1. Demand Government money for more Shelters to assure future victims they will have support AFTER the bad choice to get in Abusive relationships.
2. Empower males and females by Education for the signs of Abusive persons and the visual outcomes
of past Victims as done for Drivers-Ed with pictures as a deterent just like the Cigarette packs with a stark reality from a bad choice in life.
As for the things that don't affect me , Slavery and AIDS didn't affect me but I cared about them to prevent these problems via Education and Historical evidence of the harm .
So save me the typical Leftist Cliches to shift the problem to me , I'm responsible for my actions and when YOU point the finger at me I'll be holding up a Digit at you for being so selfish and simple to enable more abuse which creates more Victims for the Shelter-Industry.
Guilt trips don't work on me or any of my Sister's because they saw how the "Abuser" loves to twist things around and blame their Victims as Judgemental to enduce a Guilt for defending themselves from a Abuser.
I will never apologize for defending myself or having self-respect to stand up to bullies no matter what the gender or sexual-preference.
In fact,I'm having a ongoing battle over the Child-Abuse in Toronto that gets overlooked for the Politically-Correct aspects such as the Pro-Tamil Tiger use of kids as Human Shields against the Police, then the naked males exposing themselves to little boys
during the Pride Parade while Miller and Chief Blair allow it .
Where is the outrage for the Mother's who do this to theirown babies or children ????
Or is it too lucrative to just bash Males all the time to blame them for every Social Crisis while females have become the Majority(52%) of the Population oppressing others or killing their own children.
ME, If you took the time to read the posts more carefully, you would have noticed Anon @ 1:02 AM had a somewhat difficult family situation and not me.
That being said, I agree with two last Anonymous posts. I still don't think Government subsidized shelters are the panacea you make them out to be. Common assault is a criminal offense and there are already laws on the books to deal with that. Abusive relationships are a personal matter and should be dealt with at that level. Shifting the responsibility to the whole of society clouds the true issues at stake. You probably see the problem as a societal one whereas I see it as an personal responsibility issue.
Exempt women's shelters from the non-discrimination ruling. Problem solved.
There are other exemptions, I think this would qualify as needing one.
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