GayandRight

My name is Fred and I am a gay conservative living in Ottawa. This blog supports limited government, the right of the State of Israel to live in peace and security, and tries to expose the threat to us all from cultural relativism, post-modernism, and radical Islam. I am also the founder of the Free Thinking Film Society in Ottawa (www.freethinkingfilms.com)

Wednesday, January 06, 2010

The blood libel continues....

Terry Glavin has a must-read blog post on the continuing blood libel regarding Israelis harvesting organs. This time, a Muslim newspaper, in British Columbia is printing an allegation that Israel is importing 25,000 Ukranian children for their organs...
An international Israeli conspiracy to kidnap children and harvest their organs is gathering momentum as another shocking story divulges Tel Aviv's plot to import Ukrainian children and harvest their organs.

The story brings to light the fact that Israel has brought some 25,000 Ukrainian children into the occupied entity over the past two years in order to harvest their organs. It cites a Ukrainian man's fruitless search for 15 children who had been adopted in Israel. The children had clearly been taken by Israeli medical centers, where they were used for 'spare parts'.

The account was unveiled five days ago by a Ukrainian philosophy professor and author, Vyacheslav Gudin, at a pseudo-academic conference in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev. Gudin told an estimated 300 attendees of the Kiev conference that it was essential that all Ukrainians be made aware of the genocide Israel was perpetrating.

The conference also featured two professors who presented a book blaming “the Zionists” for the Ukrainian famine of the 1930s, as well as the country's current condition.
This story seems to be gaining traction around the world. Even on this blog, we've had nutcases who believe the original Swedish story about Israeli harvesting of organs, and nutcases who believe that the Israelis poisoned Yassir Arafat. Very disheartening...

18 Comments:

Blogger Lucy said...

This is the first i heard about the Ukraine claim but the claims in the Swedish newspaper were true and admitted by Israel as true. They did take organs from dead Palestinians.
Libel is publishing false statements and as this was true, it wasn't libel. Deeply embarassing and a story that would have just drifted back into obscurity if Israel hadn't have tried to defend the indefensible. Seems like something you are trying to do Fred, you condone taking organs without consent?

2:24 PM  
Anonymous Lucy's Nemesis said...

Lucy, you conveniently ignore the fact that Britain did the same as Israel at about the same time, remember the Alder Hey organs scandal, and as I instructed you before, even your socialist newspaper The Guardian printed a correction the Palestinians were not the victims of organ theft.

Socialists love twisting the truth to suit their devious ends.

3:41 PM  
Blogger Lucy said...

Nemesis, you conveniently ignore that i said to you before when you mentioned Alder Hey that what happened there was abhorrent just as this is abhorrent. Let's say you forgot you saw it and that's why you mentioned it again here. Us Socialists are nothing if not fair.

5:08 PM  
Blogger GayandRight said...

Lucy, the claims in the Swedish newspaper were NOT true in any way, shape form or manner. That fact that one Israeli used corneas from both Israelis and Palestinians ten years ago (and was fired for it) has nothing to do with the Swedish story.

But then, for Israel-bashers such as yourself....the truth matters little.

6:41 PM  
Anonymous Lucy's Nemesis said...

You miss the point, Lucy.

Like Alder Hey, some organs were taken without permission.

Unlike Alder Hey, Britain wasn't libelled with the 1000 year anti semitic old blood libel.

"The story brings to light the fact that Israel has brought some 25,000 Ukrainian children into the occupied entity over the past two years in order to harvest their organs."

Many socialists now believe Israel is an organ stealing racist country, not one doctor behaving immorally.

1:05 AM  
Blogger Lucy said...

Why would it just be Socialists and not anyone who knows about this and Alder Hey regardless of their ideology?
And why is it anti-semitic to say what Israel did was wrong? I would say it was wrong if India did it so would that then be anti-Hindu? Does your mentioning of Alder Hey mean you are anti-Christian? Why is it more ridiculous then shouting anti-semite everytime someone says anything about Israel?

PS. If you don't agree with everything i say you are obviously a christian hating IRA lover who wants to see England destroyed.

PPS. Hopefully as you read that above you thought how pathetic. True, it is isn't it so you might want to remember just how pathetic it sounded next time you go to write it.

12:11 PM  
Blogger GayandRight said...

Lucy ducks my comments as usual. I'll repeat: The Swedish story was bogus...and completely false.

End of story.

1:35 PM  
Blogger Lucy said...

I hold my hands up and admit that i read your comment Fred but forgot to answer it after replying to my Nemesis.

Not true in any way shape or form?

From The Daily Telegraph:

In the 1990s, forensic specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, without permission from relatives.

In a response to the TV report, the Israeli military confirmed the practice took place. "This activity ended a decade ago and does not happen any longer" the military said in a statement

Take note the part that said: 'This activity ended a decade ago and does not happen any longer'

Does not happen any longer which means that it DID happen before or maybe you want to argue with the admission from the Israeli military.

Bet you are glad i answered now arn't you Fred?

2:22 PM  
Anonymous Lucy's Nemesis said...

Lucy, it's anti semitic when you say Israel targets Palestinians for organ harvesting, as the original Swedish report said. That is a retelling of the Jewish Blood Libel (look it up) and not a simple rogue doctor or hospital. It's like saying because of Alder Hey, Britain is a racist country who targets blacks for their eyes.

Do you see the difference?

You even say "why is it anti-semitic to say what Israel did was wrong?" Israel didn't do it, a rogue hospital policy did. Exactly as happened at Alder Hey.

Won't you admit Britain is a racist apartheid country and must be boycotted immediately? THEY'RE ORGAN SNATCHERS DAMNIT!

2:50 PM  
Blogger GayandRight said...

Lucy acts like she has made a discovery - that some rogue Israeli doctor took corneas from Israelis and palestians. I have blogged this precisely because this has NOTHING to do with the Swedish article...wich is totally bogus and wrong.

3:09 PM  
Blogger Lucy said...

This is an old story that has resurfaced again Fred, i haven't discovered it. It was there since the 90s.

The original Swedish report blamed 'doctors at Abu Kabir' Nemesis. I said Israel in the same way as i said India in the next sentence (ie: it happened there) but i do take your point about how it reads.

5:17 PM  
Blogger Dr.Dawg said...

The Guardian printed a correction the Palestinians were not the victims of organ theft.

Socialists love twisting the truth to suit their devious ends.


Nope. It published a correction that the Palestinians were not the sole victims of the practice. That's not just twisting the truth on your part, Fred, but a lie.


That fact that one Israeli used corneas from both Israelis and Palestinians ten years ago (and was fired for it) has nothing to do with the Swedish story.

Another fib. He wasn't fired.

I think we can all agree that the Swedish story was way over the top. First, there is no evidence that anyone was deliberately killed to harvest their organs. Secondly, tying this in with another scandal, this time in the US in which some American Jews were involved, is what makes the Swedish story a blood libel.

But making stuff up, as you do here, doesn't will away the fact that "presumed consent" is an invidious practice. If you are a Palestinian, under occupation, and your dead kid is sent back to you minus a few surgically removed bits and pieces, you can see how that could feed right in to fables that may be current in their neck of the woods.

4:20 PM  
Blogger GayandRight said...

Sorry, Doctor. The Swedish story wasn't just over the top - it was totally false.

The scandal with the Israeli doctor was over a decade ago and and was dealt with by the Israelis. Ok, they didn't fire him, but he was found responsible and laws were even changed.

But, over at your blog, you put up headlines like "Truth is a defence" to libel, and you make it seem like you endorse such libels.

As for Palestinians being under occupation, well, they have had many chances for peace with israel, and they say NO every time. Most Palestinians do not live under occupation, at all.

5:21 PM  
Blogger Lucy said...

Fred said: 'Most Palestinians do not live under occupation, at all'

Lucy says: 'Sigh' and wonders what colour the sky is in Fredland.

5:26 PM  
Blogger Dr.Dawg said...

But, over at your blog, you put up headlines like "Truth is a defence" to libel, and you make it seem like you endorse such libels.

No one reading my post could rationally conclude any such thing. Note that I say "rationally." In fact, that latter comment of yours approaches libel in itself.

5:56 PM  
Blogger GayandRight said...

Approaches???

I'll be waiting for a letter from your lawyer, I guess.

6:54 PM  
Blogger Dr.Dawg said...

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8:23 PM  
Blogger Dr.Dawg said...

"Approaches."

Verb.sap. It's stupid to defame someone without evidence. Truth is a defence, but you lack that defence in this instance. And I believe that you know that very well.

Diminished capacity might work, though.

9:00 PM  

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