My name is Fred and I am a gay conservative living in Ottawa. This blog supports limited government, the right of the State of Israel to live in peace and security, and tries to expose the threat to us all from cultural relativism, post-modernism, and radical Islam. I am also the founder of the Free Thinking Film Society in Ottawa (

Friday, January 22, 2010

Hamas still denies Israel's right to exist...

There were press reports yesterday that Hamas might be willing to recognize Israel...
Hamas on Thursday denied a report in an Israeli newspaper that the Resistance Movement is ready to accept Israel's right to exist. The JPost added that Dr. Aziz Dwaik, Hamas' senior representative in the West Bank and speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, stated also that Hamas is ready to nullify its charter calling for the destruction of Israel.

According to the report, Dwaik made the comments during a meeting Wednesday with British tycoon David Abrahams in Hebron.

Dwaik told Hamas website on Thursday that the report was "inaccurate". According to him, Hamas will never recognize the occupation on Palestinian lands. Dr. Dwaik stated he told Abrahams that the PLO abolished its charter following the agreements with Israel but the Palestinian people didn't benefit from this move.

On his part, Salah Al-Bardawil, a senior Hamas leader in Gaza Strip, also dismissed the Israeli report on Dwaik's comments. "The quotes are not true. Hamas' stand regarding the Zionist entity's recognition is clear", stressed Al-Bardawil.


Blogger Lucy said...

Has Likud removed the line in their manifesto where they clearly state that 'the Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state'?

12:22 PM  
Blogger GayandRight said...

here we go you genocide is the same as self-rule.

you need A DICTIONARY!

Look up the word genocide. Hamas wants to kill all jews...and all Israelis.

Yet you somehow think that because the Likud doesn't want a Palestinian state (but support self-rule) that there is an equivalency.

Well, all that show is how delusional you are.

12:32 PM  
Anonymous Lucy's Nemesis said...

Still waiting for Lucy to answer the Socialist EU Imperialism question, but not holding my breath.

2:09 PM  
Blogger Lucy said...

All i did was ask you if they have removed that line Fred. I didn't mention Hamas. All the rest you concluded yourself. You doth protest too much me thinks.

Breath out and ask the Socialist EU Imperialism question again Nemesis, i didn't see it.

5:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hamas will have to be dismantled then from the inside out thorugh non violence on the part of citizens.They support genocide of israelis and jews worldwide.They will never have any support.Only the support of crackpots and the naive.Israelis support the right to self rule.They are wisely wary of allowing groups like Hamas the responsibility of security when they are so obviously under educated and indoctrinated with hatred.


6:53 PM  
Anonymous Lucy's Nemesis said...

Lucy, why does Britain want to be part of the EU superpower? Why do we want to be part of an imperialist bullying superpower that has its fingers in pies around the world, imposing cultural values where it shouldnt? What does Britain get from the EU that it woudlnt from a simple free trade agreement? red tape, bendy bananas and buses don't count.

I can think of plenty of good things to do with the $200,000,000,000 we give to Europe every year. We wouldn't be in debt for a start.

8:55 PM  
Blogger Andrew said...

Wow what else is new but of course the idiot left will support it.also they denies Israel's right to exist what's new

10:31 PM  
Blogger Lucy said...

Thank you Nemesis.

This is how i see it panning out. The EU superpower IS going to happen. No doubt that it WILL happen because Germany & France will make it happen. What this means is that the direction the EU goes will be determined largely by France, Germany and a host of smaller countries. Britain, outside of the EU, will have no say in this and no input into how it works so will have to abide by the rules but not have any say in creating them.
What i say is join up now and be a major voice inside the camp on how the new Superpower will work rather than be outside and be dictated to by others.
The only other options are to stay outside and be crushed and ignored by the USA, China & EU and have no say on World affairs or to join later but by then all the big decisions would have been made.

The only argument that i hear aganst is that Britain would be swallowed up and lose its identity and culture etc but i have faith that we are a strong enough country to not only keep our identity but to pass off the best of British to others and to take the best of others into our country.

2:15 PM  
Blogger Lucy said...

I forgot to ask you Fred, so have they removed that particular line in the manifesto or are they still denying Palestines right to exist? Yes or no answer please, none of your usual rambling to again avoid answering questions that rightly make you feel uncomfortable.

11:15 AM  
Blogger Thermblog said...

Lucy your Likud question is a trick one akin to, "have you stopped beating your wife." It presupposes an equivalence between Hamas, a militant movement and Likud, a political party in a democracy.

There is a second presupposition implicit in the logic: that the creation of a new Palestinian state has equal importance with the continuation of the existing Jewish one.

Both these suppositions are the product of twisted thinking and the question should not be answered in its present form.

4:10 PM  
Blogger GayandRight said... about not answering don't even know the definition of the word 'genocide.'

The answer to your question is that the Likud or israel does NOT deny the Palestinian right to exist.

But, let me know when you are ready to talk about Hamas and genocide.

10:40 PM  
Blogger Lucy said...

Actually Thermblog, it is really straight forward. Has Likud removed that line from their manifesto. It isn't rocket science. They either have or they haven't.

Ramble, ramble, ramble. I will take that as a no then Fred.

2:22 PM  
Blogger GayandRight said...

there is no such line, Lucy.

4:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said... still does the same subjects

4:51 PM  
Blogger Lucy said...

Too easy Fred. Now do i link to the manifesto and direct you to the line in question which will make you look a fool in front of everyone and prove that you don't have the first idea what you are talking about or not.

Line 51 under the heading Self Rule.

Too easy Fred, it's all far too easy.

6:25 PM  
Anonymous Lucy's Nemesis said...

Lucy, I'm sure the EU superpower will happen as sure as the Fourth Reich follows the Third Reich.

My question is why would we Brits want to dictate how the EU monstrosity develops?

I thought we'd given up meddling in other countries affairs long ago.

There's no chance Britain will ever be dictated to.

Do you know Rule Brittania? Verse 3:

Still more majestic shalt thou rise,
More dreadful, from each foreign stroke,
As the loud blast that tears the skies,
Serves but to root thy native oak.

The more the Fourth Reich tries to impose its rule on Britain the more the British resent it, unless you're a socialist. Hardly anyone believes in the EU, only the socialists.

Only by a return to independence can we stand any chance of living freely. That independent identity and culture you speak of won't be ruined by the EUSSR or the Muslims.

8:43 PM  
Blogger GayandRight said...

Now here's a horrible comment from the Likud platform:

The Likud will strengthen the existing peace agreements with the Arab states and strive to achieve peace agreements with all of Israel's neighbors with the aim of reaching a comprehensive solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.

12:21 AM  
Blogger Lucy said...

You are condemning your country to the fringes where it will wither away Nemesis. There will be three Superpowers, USA, EU and China with secondary countries such as Russia, Brazil and India.
They will make all the big decisions on how the World works. If we are not in that EU block, we will have no say on anything and be sidelined. Lok how much power we have now and that's without the EU getting its act together.
While we still have some sway in Europe, we should be in their helping to shape it and be a major player. You can cling to your pound and your little Englander view if you like while the rest of us move onwards and upwards to bigger and better things.

So did you see line 51 Fred that you said didnlt exist? Any comments on it?

5:22 PM  
Anonymous Lucy's Nemesis said...

Lucy, it is you who is condemning your country to the fringes where it will wither away.

You and the Socialists are determined to bring Britain to its knees and be subsumed by Germany and France, to finally lose the War after peace has been declared.

Britain holds more sway in the world than all of Europe put together. America, the EU and China can go screw themselves for all I care. Remember it was America who forced the breakup of the Empire through its conditional loans after we'd spent all our money defeating Nazism and saving Europe.

You can swoon over a socialist Europe all you want but socialism means one thing, the removal of individuality and freedom. This country will never stand for that no matter how hard the socialists bleet.

5:48 PM  
Blogger GayandRight said...

I saw that line...and as I have always said, the Likud stands for self-rule for the Palestinians. Only someone as crazy as you could think that this is somehow equivalent to the genocide of the entire Jewish people that Hamas talks about in their charter.

But, then we're talking about Lucy - a demented Israel-basher.

5:48 PM  
Blogger Lucy said...

I obviously have more faith in our countries ability to put forward our ideas than you Nemesis.

The same old rambling stock answer you always wheel out when you are scrambling around to save face Fred.

7:23 PM  
Blogger GayandRight said...

It's a stock answer because you keep saying the same thing, and you avoid the plain fact of the matter that you do not know the meaning of the word genocide. To you, self-rule by the Palestinians is the same as the murder of all Jews.

This says a lot about you, Lucy.

11:52 AM  
Blogger Lucy said...

To jog your memory Fred, it was you who mentioned Hamas and killing Jews. I merely asked if Likud had removed that particular line and it was your bias and prejudices that took over.

5:58 PM  
Anonymous Lucy's Nemesis said...

Lucy, you're right. You see no future in Britain except as part of a Socialist Empire with Britain reduced to a privy council satellite of Brussels and Berlin. Most people in this country have a higher opinion of Britain as a force for good in the world which you and your socialst warriors can't accept.

9:27 PM  

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