My name is Fred and I am a gay conservative living in Ottawa. This blog supports limited government, the right of the State of Israel to live in peace and security, and tries to expose the threat to us all from cultural relativism, post-modernism, and radical Islam. I am also the founder of the Free Thinking Film Society in Ottawa (

Friday, August 10, 2007

Insights from the Outback....

Gee, this restores my faith in people....

A man paddling and pulling his kayak from Brisbane to Adelaide to promote the need for action on climate change says he is disappointed with the sceptical nature of outback Australians.

Steve Posselt, who is pulling his kayak along the Darling River road due to a lack of water, says that many rural people do not believe in climate change.

He says he did not expect so many people to doubt what the majority of climate scientists agree on.

"I've been astounded by the actual lack of belief on this trip," he said.

"Many people want to argue the issue about whether there is such a thing as global warming.

"You can talk to blokes in the pub and they say yep winters aren't what they used to be, they're a lot shorter.

"And you say, 'well do you believe in climate change? No, mate its just a cycle'."


Blogger Steve V said...

You applaud complete ignorance, how noble.

1:56 PM  
Blogger GayandRight said...

steve: I am still waiting for you to provide your source for your comment that 99% of scientists believe in human-induced global warming.

Somehow you believe that science is done by consensus. It's not.

99% of priests probably believe in the immaculate conception. That doesn't make it so.

Most experts thought tht Y2K was going to be a huge catastrophe. It wasn't.

6:38 PM  
Blogger Steve V said...

"steve: I am still waiting for you to provide your source for your comment that 99% of scientists believe in human-induced global warming."

Oh come on, have you not followed the United Nations summits? You pull out a person here, a denier there, but that isn't mainstream science, and to compare it too a subjective religion is just foolish. I will say it again, for every study you can show, there are 100 that suggest otherwise, for every wingnut you pull out, there are 99 experts who beg to differ.

What is sad, wasting all your energy on this blog, like some others on this role, disputing what the scientific community is telling us. There is always dissent, but you consistently ignore the information in totality, merely clinging to anything to support your bias.

Why aren't you writing a post on Harper wasting valuable resources in the Arctic. The entire premise of the new port, the icebreakers, the base, is that the passage will soon be open to sea travel, which is an admission of global warming. I'm waiting for your post, bashing Harper for falling prey to this "swindle".

Anyways, I'm sure you have more pressing issues, like scouring the globe looking for snowflakes :)

1:49 PM  
Blogger GayandRight said...

You made the statement...I challenged you....and you cannot support your claim.

But, I'll repease the second part of my question. Is science done by consensus????

2:58 PM  
Blogger Steve V said...


I'm not going to bother, the information is out there, if you dismiss me because of that, so be it. I used to engage more, but I find it tiring, it's very much settled in my own thought process.

As for science for consensus, I don't believe that. However, what I do put faith in, the totality of information available. You would point to Gore's error concerning Kilimanjaro, which I acknowledge. I would counter that omission doesn't weaken the overall argument, because there are hundred of other glacial and/or icepack examples that show a withdraw, which experts have tied to climate. In other words, I could plug in another example to take the place of the error, which actually stands up to scrutiny, according to the science.

I believe there are lots of aspects to this question that we don't know with certainty. Having said that, there is a consensus, or proponderence of evidence emerging, which shows a co-relation between GW and man. To deny this, is too deny the scientific model, and make science seem like a subjective discipline. That is dangerous, and frankly irresponsible.

There are still people who think we didn't land on the moon, and they present things which can be construed as counter-evidence (i.e flags and wind). If you are pre-disposed to disbelieve, that gives something to cling on to, despite all of the counter evidence. Some people still believe dinosaurs and man inhabitated the world simulataneously, and present "science" to make the claim. You can always find dissent, but I look to the majority view for guidance. As it relates to global warming, the overwhelming majority of climatologists, experts in the field, make the co-relation, consider the problem real. I think I will put my faith in those in the new, rather than searching the margins to create a false debate.

Anyways, I won't bother you anymore, you have your opinion, even if it comes across as a crusade. Cheers :)

4:07 PM  
Blogger GayandRight said...

Clearly, you can't prove what you've said.

Thanks for admitting that science is NOT done by consensus.

There is a real debate here...but only one side refuses to debate.

You may put your 'faith' in the totality of information...but again faith is the realm of religion, not science.

5:53 PM  

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