My name is Fred and I am a gay conservative living in Ottawa. This blog supports limited government, the right of the State of Israel to live in peace and security, and tries to expose the threat to us all from cultural relativism, post-modernism, and radical Islam. I am also the founder of the Free Thinking Film Society in Ottawa (

Wednesday, February 28, 2007

Global Warming...More Dissent...

I agree with Livermore's thesis - all those scientists may indeed be wrong.

The scientific mainstream, however, refuses to concede that it could be wrong. It insists we must act now to decarbonise our economy, whatever the consequences. If the science were as certain as suggested, it would have a point. But it isn't and, in the meantime, we are being forced down a single policy direction that may be ineffectual and takes resources away from the real and present problems in the world.

Increasing food security, providing access to clean water and basic education, building defences against the floods that inevitably hit low-lying regions: these are the sort of initiatives that have to take second place to the drive to reduce carbon emissions.

In any case, there is little likelihood that a global carbon reduction regime can be made to work. Most EU member states will not meet their commitments under the Kyoto protocol. How likely is it, then, that China and other expanding economies will compromise their growth to meet much more demanding targets?

To shut down debate is unscientific. Science progresses by observation and deduction, by setting up hypotheses and testing them. Allowing one view to be pushed forward with no dissent sets a precedent that will stifle innovative thinking. Whatever Al Gore may believe, there is an even more inconvenient truth: he could be wrong.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could be wrong? Since nothing unusual has happened to earth's climate yet and there are no indicators that anything out of the ordinary will happen - well, these guys are just plain wrong.

1:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Climate change denial has hurt the Harper government very badly. You can no longer deny what is happening.

I give full credit to Gore, Dion and Suzuki for opening up our eyes to how horrible this factor is.

2:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh please,

Gore, Dion and Suzuki are the biggest shills on the subject.

Climate change occurs naturally always has, always will. We can stop it.

Humans put < 2% of the CO2 that gets released into the atmosphere every year. And it doesn't matter human greenhouse is insignificant compared to all other factors.

8:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I give full credit to Gore, Dion and Suzuki for opening up our eyes to how horrible this factor is."

How old are you Annon?

How horrible is this "factor" you mention?
Do you believe in past recorded scintific data...AKA sediment samples and the likes that concludes without a shread of a doubt that climate change has always occured and will continue to occur naturally?

The "factor" you are talking about is a computer model created with much "poluted" data of temp readings near big city cores where it is now proven that warming is much more localised than previously thought.
NASA space probes have not recorded any planet increase in temperature out of the ordinary.

Middle age men believed in the supernatural mainly because the church spread fear and controlled the masses that way.

Should we collectively consume less? Absolutely!

Should we have big brother/socialist groups and governments take advantage of us by spreading fear which could result in panic based on dubious science at best?


8:43 AM  
Blogger John M Reynolds said...

Ha ha.

Anonymous arguing with her/himself. I assume Anny#3 meant to say we can't stop it.

I would like to know the source for the "Humans put < 2% of the CO2 that gets released into the atmosphere every year" line. The carbon cycle ( among other places) has a picture from nasa that shows:

Source : Amount
Factories : 5.5
oceans : 90
forests : 60
soil : 60
vegetation : 1.6

total: 217.1
of that our percent is 2.5%
This is quite close, but does Anny#3 have a different source?

10:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks John,

was a typo "We can't stop it"

10:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I say < 2% because as you'll see when searching the internet, while it calculates to around 2.5 - 3%

Forest fires are included in this number which should be removed.

They also don't show graphs show volcanic output.

The Sierra Club says on average 1.7 million hectares of forest have burned in Canada because of wildfires per year which I can't find the reference, but I believe this is 6x the amount Europe puts out from fossil fuels.

I think if volcanoes and forest fires are taken into account, humans contribute < 2%, but it's just an estimate.

I look for more info.


11:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh please oh please oh please keep beating this dead horse. Bring it into the next election and you're guaranteed a majority.

As usual, no one here knows what they're talking about, because if you did, you would be publishing through the normal channels.

Really, how certain is anthropogenic climate change vs. expected foreign policy outcomes in the Middle East, or success and utility of ballistic missile defense, or even the capability of unfettered free markets to solve every economic issue? The data and analysis supporting the former vastly outweighs the data for any of the latter three; in fact, the latter three are based far more on speculation and ideology than the former.

11:53 AM  
Blogger Jesse said...

@above Anonymous:

Thank you for making sense.

4:08 PM  

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