My name is Fred and I am a gay conservative living in Ottawa. This blog supports limited government, the right of the State of Israel to live in peace and security, and tries to expose the threat to us all from cultural relativism, post-modernism, and radical Islam. I am also the founder of the Free Thinking Film Society in Ottawa (

Friday, August 31, 2007

This does not sound like a criminal....

My god, there is no crime here...Seantor Larry Craig should never have been is the transcript of his interrogation...

LC: So I go into the bathroom here as I normally do, I'm a commuter too here.

DK: Okay.

LC: I sit down, urn, to go to the bathroom and ah, you said our feet bumped. I believe they did, ah, because I reached down and scooted over and urn, the next thing I knew, under the bathroom divider comes a card that says Police. Now, urn, (sigh) that's about as far as I can take it, I don't know of anything else. Ah, your foot came toward mine, mine came towards yours, was that natural? I don't know. Did we bump? Yes. I think we did. You said so. I don't disagree with that.

DK: Good. Urn,

LC: I don't, ah, I am not gay, I don't do these kinds of things and...

DK: It doesn't matter, I don't care about sexual preference or anything like that. Here's your stuff back sir. Urn, I don't care about sexual preference.

LC: I know you don't. You're out to enforce the law.

DK: Right.

LC: But you shouldn't be out to entrap people either.

DK: This isn't entrapment.

LC: All right.

DK: Urn, you you're skipping some parts here, but what what about your hand?

LC What about it? I reached down, my foot like this. There was a piece of paper on the floor, I picked it up

DK: Okay.

LC What about my hand?

DK: Well, you're not being truthful with me, I'm kinda disappointed in you Senator. I'm real disappointed in you right now. Okay. I'm not, just so you know, just like everybody, 1,1,1, treat with dignity, I try to pull them away from the situation

LC: 1,1

DK: and not embarrass them.

LC: I appreciate that.

DK: And I

LC: You did that after the stall.

DK: I will say every person I've had so far has told me the truth. We've been respectful to each other and then they've gone on their way. And I've never had to bring anybody to jail because everybody's been truthful to me.

LC: I don't want you to take me to jail and I think.

DK: I'm not gonna take you to jail as long as your cooperative but I'm not gonna lie. We...

LC: Did my hand come below the divider? Yes. It did.

DK: Okay, sir. We deal with people that lie to us everyday. LC: I'm sure you do.

DK: I'm sure you do to sir.

LC: And gentleman so do I.

DK: I'm sure you do. We deal with a lot of people that are very bad people. You're not a bad person.

LC: No, I don't think I am.

DK: Okay, so what I'm telling you, I don't want to be lied to.

LC: Okay.

DK: Okay. So we'll start over, you're gonna get out of here. You're gonna have to pay a fine and that will be it. Okay. I don't call media, I don't do any of that type of crap.

LC: Fine.

DK: Okay.

LC: Fine.

DK: All right, so let's start from the beginning. You went in the bathroom.

LC: I went in the bathroom.

DK: And what did you do when you...

LC: 1 stood beside the wall, waiting for a stall to open. I got in the stall, sat down, and I started to go to the bathroom. Ah, did our feet come together, apparently they did bump. Well, I won't dispute that.

DK: Okay. When I got out of the stall, I noticed other other stalls were open. LC: They were at the time. At the time I entered, 1,1, at the time I entered, I stood and waited.

DK: Okay.

LC: They were all busy, you know?

DK: Were you (inaudible) out here while you were waiting? I could see your eyes. I saw you playing with your fingers and then look up. Play with your fingers and then look up.

LC: Did I glance at your stall? I was glancing at a stall right beside yours waiting for a fella to empty it. I saw him stand up and therefore I thought it was going to empty.

DK: How long do you think you stood outside the stalls?

LC: Oh a minute or two at the most.

DK: Okay. And when you went in the stalls, then what? LC: Sat down.

DK: Okay. Did you do anything with your feet?

LC: Positioned them, I don't know. I don't know at the time. I'm a fairly wide guy.

DK: I understand.

LC: I had to spread my legs.

DK: Okay.

LC: When I lower my pants so they won't slide.

DK: Okay.

LC: Did I slide them too close to yours? Did I, I looked down once, your foot was close to mine.

DK Yes.

LC Did we bump? Ah, you said so, I don't recall that, but apparently we were close.

DK Yeah, well your foot did touch mine, on my side of the stall.

LC: All right.

DK: Okay. And then with the hand. Urn, how many times did you put your hand under the stall?

LC: I don't recall. I remember reaching down once. There was a piece of toilet paper back behind me and picking it up.

DK: Okay. Was your was your palm down or up when you were doing that?

LC: I don't recall.

DK: Okay. I recall your palm being up. Okay.

LC: All right.

DK: When you pick up a piece of paper off the ground, your palm would be down, when you pick something up.

LC: Yeah, probably would be. I recall picking the paper up.

DK: And I know it's hard to describe here on tape but actually what I saw was your fingers come underneath the stalls, you're actually ta touching the bottom of the stall divider.

LC: I don't recall that.

DK: You don't recall

LC: I don't believe I did that. I don't.

DK: I saw, I saw

LC: I don't do those things.

DK: I saw your left hand and I could see the gold wedding ring when it when it went across. I could see that. On your left hand, I could see that. LC: Wait a moment, my left hand was over here.

DK: I saw there's a...

LC: My right hand was next to you.

DK: I could tell it with my ah, I could tell it was your left hand because your thumb was positioned in a faceward motion. Your thumb was on this side, not on this side.

LC: Well, we can dispute that. I'm not going to fight you in court and I, I reached down with my right hand to pick up the paper.

DK: But I'm telling you that I could see that so I know that's your left hand. Also I could see a gold ring on this finger, so that's obvious it was the left hand.

LC: Yeah, okay. My left hand was in the direct opposite of the stall from you.


Anonymous gerry said...

It you think that Craig was only reaching for a piece of paper on a toilet floor,then you really are reaching to grab at straw ( no puns intended). I feel sorry for Craig's wife and kids... big time but unfortunately Craig is making himself look dismally clownish with his denials. He got caught, he pleaded guilty and now that it has come out ( something he should do)that he frequents bathrooms for sex,he claims that he is innocent. Nothing in what he says sounds believable to even the biggest skeptic. He should declare that he is gay and get on with his life. Worst things have happened but i guess he realizes that in Idaho being republican and being gay don't go together and he is looking to save his meal ticket.
What it boils down to is do as I say not as i do.And as we have discovered he does.

4:11 AM  
Blogger Skinny Dipper said...

Wouldn't a strategy meeting at a Motel Sex--Oops! I mean Motel Six--have been better?

8:21 AM  
Blogger GayandRight said...

All I saying is that his behavior is not criminal. He tapped his foot...he picked up a piece of paper, etc.

You might think his behavior is reprehensible...but not criminal....

10:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

he pleased guilty thinking it would go away - he's a lawyer for heavens sake and knew he could fight it - but, he's trying to hide it and it's not the first problem with him.

This man was also totally against anything gay - rights, workers rights, etc. - the man doth protest too much.

Looks good on him.

1:09 PM  
Blogger A. Carlton Sallet said...

An ex-cop chiming in here. Those familiar with interrogations (sorry, they're called interviews now) recognize hallmark tells like "I don't believe I did that. I don't." as the kind of prevarications the human brain generates when lying under stress. Same for repetition and other things.

The good Senator was seeking gay sex in a public bathroom, an offence all men who just want to pee and crap in bathrooms think should be criminal.

2:13 PM  
Blogger Stephen R. Maloney said...

For goodnes sakes, here comes the straight guy totally agreeing with you. He reached "under the stall!" So what? I wrote a "Larry Craig should resign immediatly" comment on my blog after news came out. I expected gruesome details about sexual comments and perhaps groping of the Police officer (whose behavior was atrocious). There was no sexual language, no groping. As my ex-wife might have put it, "There was no nothing." If that is a crime in Minneapolis, then they need to stop repairing the bridge and spending the money on building new jails -- many.

As for the ex-cop who wrote a comment, he ignores the fact that no crime took place.

steve maloney

Please visit and read my retraction.

2:17 AM  
Anonymous Xeno said...

I would report it to the authorities if some old pervert was peeping through my toilet stall and playing footsies. Perhaps that was the reason why the cop investigated the bathroom in the first place.

There was no paper. The signals that Craig gave were clear communication that he was soliciting sex in a public restroom.

9:36 PM  

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